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The Inevitability of Female Submission

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If you are a woman reading this, you have already submitted to a man, whether you’re aware of it or not. And the louder you deny it, the greater the likelihood that you’ve submitted to a bad man, one who abuses and uses you.

The state of woman is submissiveness, now and forever.

There is no way to escape it, short of putting a bullet into your brain. I don’t care how “strong” or “independent” you think you are, how much money you make, or how “equal” you think your relationship with your husband/boyfriend is: if you are female, you have submitted to the rule of a man. And when you think you’re rebelling against masculine authority, all you’re doing is exchanging one master for another.

If you think I’m full of it, it’s because you don’t understand what submission is. The popular conception of womanly submission is authoritarianism and tyranny, a cruel husband ordering his long-suffering wife around like a slave, her tearfully obeying his every diktat and spending what little free time she has downing Prozac. If submission actually worked like this, feminism would have become the law of the land millennia ago.

In reality, submission is putting the interests of someone or something else before your own, without even thinking about it.

This is not a one-way process; by submitting to a man, women gain both material and emotional benefits. Because girls find the mere act of submission pleasurable in and of itself, it’s not hard for men to manipulate this tendency for their own ends. That’s one of the foundational planks of modern society: getting girls to submit to anyone or anything aside from a loving, masculine husband.

Do you work for a living? Congratulations, honey: you’re submissive towards your boss. Even if the middle manager you directly report to is a woman, the company you work for is likely owned or managed by men, whether it’s the CEO or the shareholders, so the point still stands. You’re submissive to your boss because you do whatever’s necessary to please him without even thinking about it. Oh sure, you get little pats on the head for your labor—a steady salary, a fancy job title, company parties and the occasional promotion—but a slave who wheedles favors from his master is still a slave.

And by giving you the illusion that you’re strong and independent, feminism keeps you from noticing that you’re bound in chains.

This isn’t up for debate: in his book Going Postal, Mark Ames showed that the methods that Southern plantation owners used to keep their slaves docile and obedient are the same ones that modern corporations use on their employees. Your boss rules you by keeping you in a state of hunger, where you’re financially solvent enough to think you’re well-off yet still too poor to escape the hamster wheel. Add in feminists encouraging you to transfer your rage onto the nonexistent “patriarchy” or “old boys’ club” (instead of workplace culture itself) and we now have an entire class of women cheering on their own enslavement.

“I’m a Strong, Independent Women™ and no man will ever be the boss of me! Now, could the government pretty please do something about the wage gap? These 80-hour workweeks at Dewey, Cheatham and Howe are killing me.”

Do you own an iPhone or Macbook? You’re ruled by the men in Apple’s marketing department. I seriously doubt you did an honest comparison of smartphones or laptops before you went shopping: you just whipped out your credit card because “OOOOH IPHONE SHINY!” Same goes for just about every other “unique” accoutrement you own: your tastes are dictated by the advertising that’s being pumped into your skull 24/7.

Are you a feminist or leftist? You’re submissive to the men who came up with the ideas rattling around in your empty skull. Yes, feminism itself was invented by men, specifically John Locke, Jean-Jacques Rousseau and the philosophers of the Enlightenment. The so-called female thinkers not only came after these men, but were frauds: Mary Wollstonecraft was a mentally disturbed whore whom no one took seriously when she was alive, and Betty Friedan was a Communist Party agent whose husband employed a maid (meaning the entire premise of The Feminine Mystique was a complete lie).

Apparently, “the radical idea that women are people” was so radical that women couldn’t come up with it on their own.

Not to mention that every so-called “advance” in women’s liberation, from universal suffrage to the ERA, only occurred because men allowed them to occur. Women’s suffrage, for example, only became law in the U.S. because progressives in Congress wanted a majority for Prohibition and their other moral initiatives. It was recently revealed that FEMEN, the attention whore feminist group from Ukraine, is run by a man; a pimp who selects members based on how attractive they are and psychologically abuses them to make them dependent on him.

Scratch a Strong, Independent Woman™ long enough and you’ll eventually find the man pulling her strings.

Are you unemployed and/or on the dole? You’re submissive towards the government, which is largely run by men. This is borne out by voting patterns. Steve Sailer has constantly expounded that there isn’t a “gender gap” in American politics so much as there is a marriage gap: married women generally vote Republican while single women vote Democratic. It’s pretty easy to figure this out: wives are generally productive members of society (whether they work outside the home or not) and don’t need Big Daddy Obama meting out Other People’s Money to them every month.

Are you underage or still live at home? You’re submissive towards your father. Is your father absent or otherwise deferential to your mother? Then you’re submissive towards whichever man rules your mother.

You’ll notice a theme here: the greater the emotional distance a woman has from the man she has submitted to, the worse off she is in every way. The average Jizzabeller can crow about how successful she is… right up until her boss fires her so he can give himself a raise, or for no reason at all (thank you, at-will employment laws). Tanisha from the ghetto can watch Maury with her three bastard brats all day… up until the budget collapses and the state has to cut back on her gimmedats. Statistics consistently bear this out: the happiest women in America are the married, God-fearing, middle-class GOP voters whom the coastal lefties turn their noses up at.

No matter how much you toil away for your boss, no matter how fervently you vote for socialist politicians, it can all be taken away from you in the blink of an eye.

It is woman’s lot in life to be ruled by man, not because of men but because of women themselves. In the absence of immediate masculine authority, women will chain themselves to anything that promises them food on the table and a warm place to sleep. And while women may chafe at their husbands’ or fathers’ yokes, even if they break free, they just find another man to kneel to. They’re trapped in a neverending cycle of submission and rebellion, never once realizing what they’re doing.

Sorry, ladies: as loudly as you may crow about how “strong” you are, you live in a gilded cage. You get to redecorate your cage whenever you want, but you can never, ever leave, except to move to another cage.

There’s only one way for you to find fulfillment: accept your submissive nature and work with it, not against it.

And men are obligated to live up to womens’ needs. The flip side of feminine submissiveness is masculine authoritativeness. If you’re a schlumpy, wishy-washy washout, no sane woman will place her destiny in your hands, nor should she.

Patriarchy is the rule of men, not males. It’s time to nut up.

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  • re: your last paragraph

    Are you saying that a woman cannot submit to a marshmallow!? No way!

  • And men are obligated to live up to womens’ needs. The flip side of feminine submissiveness is masculine authoritativeness. If you’re a schlumpy, wishy-washy washout, no sane woman will place her destiny in your hands, nor should she.

    I think I’ll write a follow-up to expound on this point. Its a great thought, and there is a lot more to it.

    Thanks for the great read, Matt.

  • Emilia

    Like your view :-) I think, percisely because of this, it is a valuable tradition of fathers giving away their daughters in marriage, it is the transition of responsibility from the men’s side and the transition of submission from the woman’s, symbolized by the changing of her father’s name into her husband’s.

    So sue me, I’m a romantic ;-)

    Anyway, but the way you describe it, it seems that most men are living in some kind of submissiveness as well, doesn’t it? Most men aren’t CEOs or major shareholders. I’d say that outside marriage, only the highest in rank, probably almost all of them men, are truly dominant. The rest, male as well as female, are dominated by (other) men. So outside the home, we’re not all that different, except for the dominant alpha few, I think. What is your take on that?

  • Lesbians are proof that women can’t be happy on their own; have you ever seen a happy Lesbian?

  • I refer to it as an “interdependent web of infinite relationships.” Since men created/discovered/invented everything in the world (the minuscule number of women who did are statistical outliers), this means all women are completely, 100% dependent on men. As Camille Paglia said, without men, women would still be living in grass huts. Or, to quote P.J. O’Rourke, without men civilization would last until the next oil change.

  • Jeremy

    Only on video Aurini, only on video. I’m not sure the smile wasn’t forced.

    I would put this slightly differently. I would say a woman is defined by her submission. Who she submits to actually defines her. When she is submitting to her father, she’s a child. When she is submitting to a husband, she is an adult. When she is submitting to the government, she is a leech. Who a woman submits to defines her.

    Now, being a man is not defined by submission. In fact, the mark of someone who is not a man is by how many things he submits to. What this tells me is that our society cannot allow men to truly be men. It tells me that the long march towards greater nationalized and centralized power structures, and it’s inherent forced submission of it’s own men, is what likely gave rise to female “rebellion”.

    True Men can only exist where true individual freedom exists. True women can only exist where their needs can be met in exchange for submission. Where women’s needs can not be met, so such submission takes place. Where men are not allowed true liberty, nothing masculine can exist.

  • ray

    yup

    females can only avoid submission by maintaining a (now global) police-state consisting of weak (and submissive) males, who prey on strong males, then call it “the law”

    b/c of her original rebellion (same as it ever was) God cursed ALL females with an EXTRA helping of “desire for the male” which tremendously increased the female psycho-sexual dependance upon men

    females responded to this how? more rebellion, and the construction of proxy institutions that legitimize, fund, and further her rebellions, while forcing non-neutered males into subjugation

    the more empowered their own State makes females, the more miserable and vengeful they become, and that is very much in the interests of the government, corporate, and academic destroyers of masculinity and fatherhood

  • FM22

    Nobody in FEMEN is attractive at all. Not one bit. I’ve not seen a bit of tit coming out of anything in FEMEN. An A-cup would be monstrous to one of them. Other than that, GREAT PIECE MATT!!

    And Happy New Year to you.

  • Patriarchy is the rule of men, not males. It’s time to nut up

    Brilliant!.

  • baguazhang

    That, and men will always be more cutthroat and care less about “bigotry” or some other emotional thing. The idea that people can succeed as a whole without being ruthless assholes is held only by 1. Women 2. Idiots.

    This alone will ensure male dominance overall. Even if all kinds of undeserving types get a leg up via quotas and “equality” bullshit, guys like me simply hoard all the money I can and give nothing back to the rest (who probably hate you anyway). It’s actually quite enjoyable, and highly recommended.

  • blox

    we’ve all been made to submit by a currency and politicians that are not representative of the citizenry that gives them value.
    making women submit to the leviathan instead of the family was just one of the finishing touches.

  • Very well done piece, Matt.

  • Patriarchy is the rule of Fathers. How is single men included in the definition?

  • Marry Me, Matt

    I absolutely adore this man and would love to cook and clean for him every day.

    [CensorBot sez: Are you hot?]

  • Carly

    “Mary Wollstonecraft was a mentally disturbed whore whom no one took seriously when she was alive”

    Exactly. Can I have your baby, Matt?

    [CensorBot sez: Hot girls only.]

  • Davis

    “And men are obligated to live up to womens’ needs.”

    Really? All the bullshit of the last 30 years, just wiped away and forgotten? Stupid laws, ruined lives, all forgiven… As a kid of divorce, whose mother took him 1,200 miles from my father at the age of 10, who has seen half his friends pushed through the divorce sausage grinder and now living like serfs, I feel zero obligation to women’s needs. I don’t hate them, but I don’t care about their needs either, so they can swim or sink on their own.

  • aisdfoj

    By this standard then every human is submits to something. The inevitability of submitting to the elites, who submit to something else. It’s turtles all the way down.

  • Marjonka from Amsterdam

    As a European women I see this with mixed feelings. I am self employed. and my clients are often women too, they are the shareholders and/or owners of the company. In my private life I like it when my guy is focused and I support his succes and naturaly I am wiling to give him the credits if that makes him happy. On the other hand my ‘complain’ to many Western European/ American man is that they don’t want to take care anymore for a women, With taking care I mean protection and looking after. Where did it went wrong?

  • Fuck, we really are doomed (all of us) then, because let’s face it, the “men” in charge have done a pretty shit job so far of ruling the world. And, if I follow your logic, those men were only ever put there by other men. Great.

    Something that got me interested.”And men are obligated to live up to womens’ needs” – care to explain what women’s needs are please?

  • Now I know why I can’t get any dates with women. I treat them like equals, which disgusts them so much they slink off to suck Matt’s cock.

    [CensorBot sez: Damn straight.]

  • James the Just

    Ohhhh, my prostate has a contusion. I’m gonna ask my 300-pound girlfriend to stop using the XXXL dildo.

    [CensorBot sez: May she have mercy on you, because we sure won’t.]

  • Please Fuck Me

    I’m twiddling myself so hard that my you-know-what is changing colors.

    [CensorBot sez: Not healthy. See a doctor ASAP.]

  • Men who buy iPods or Macs or have women bosses aren’t submissive just because? If men submit in the same way that women do, then your argument fails.

    I’m redpill. I think that it’s better to focus on women submitting to boyfriends or husbands or fathers or women sleeping with the boss or male business partners or clients. Or women seeking the attention of powerful men and offering submission.

  • So by your logic, do not men also submit to women? I know my husband puts my needs above his just as much as I do the same for him.

  • Jay

    I love getting raped up the butt by my 400-pound girlfriend.

    [CensorBot sez: Figures.]

  • Chesterman

    I like it when a girl puts clothespins on my balls.

    [CensorBot sez: Keep quiet about your perversions.]

  • Can I haz this man’s babies?

    [CensorBot sez: You look hot, so maybe.]

  • I’ve seen lots hotter than agelela92–maybe a 6. I’ve seen Jay’s gf–he’s waaay understating her weight. And Chesterman’s gf only puts clothespins on his balls because she can’t find his shaft cuz it’s so tiny.

    And CensorBot, you can suck my…”lollipop.” ;)

  • Jay is Gay

    Oh noes, CensorBot censored me! Whatever shall I do?

    [CensorBot sez: Try not being an idiot for starters.]

  • Jay’s Still Gay

    HELP HELP, I’M BEING OPPRESSED!

    [CensorBot sez: Now you will see the violence inherent in the system.]

  • Take me Matt, take me!

    [CensorBot sez: No.]

  • Jim

    “care to explain what women’s needs are please?”

    More.

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  • I Am in Love with You

    Oh, you can write rather well. I love a man who can spin a good phrase.

    [CensorBot sez: Yes.]

  • Rose

    As much as externally I hate to admit it (and I truly do hate to admit it), the post at its core is true. I am a female who due to… various circumstances… didn’t have my father around growing up, and never will, so I didn’t submit to him.
    However, to other men in my life I can’t help but submit. It’s my nature, and I’ve come to accept that in some respect. I usually shake my head at posts here, however this one I wholeheartedly agree with.

  • Annie Benz

    Mr. Matt Forney, as a fellow New Yorker myself, if I ever see you around
    I would like to thank you for this article with a fat fist. You
    honestly sound like a child and a sore, sore loser. You talk of your
    “many beautiful girlfriends” but I only see complete bullshit. My job?
    Owner of my own restaurant. Yes, as a weak submissive girl I somehow
    managed to keep my business running for 6 and a half years. Crazy,
    right? Owner of an Iphone/Mac? No, I buy my own products based upon
    their practicality and expense. Not that my purchasing of any type of
    product would mark me as submissive, unless of course you consider
    yourself also submissive as you type this ridiculous article with your
    MacBook Pro while sitting your fat hipster-wannabe ass in a coffee shop.
    How about you admit that we as a people are completely submissive to
    the government, both you and I (although I, a hardworking graduate, am
    probably a *little* more prosperous than a silly blogger) are in the
    same boat and neither of us has control. You’re just as much as a slave
    as I am, Matthew.

  • Redwood

    “Gilded cage”. Is that a Soundgarden or the infamous oil painting reference?

  • fmf

    As always, thanks for helping me! You inspire me to be a better feminist, against capitalism, male-dominated government, male influence in feminism, and above all FOR mutual love and respect and caring for each other, without putting meaningless labels and restrictions on it according to sex. Yes, it’s nice to be selfless, but that goes for all genders, silly!

  • AussieJ T

    Women want men to take the lead… in bed, on the dancw floor etc. Trouble is feminism has got them halfheartedly being pushy in relationships.

    Also its worth noting that if you are a man and your boss or sergeant is a man, you are feminine relative to him. If he is a real man, he will not “screw you”. The author Theun Mares points this out.

    Also there are exceptions such as Margaret Thatcher who had more balls than most of the girlie men in the British Conservative party.

  • AussieJ T

    Actually having hi taxes and lots of people rotting on welfare screws the economy. Take it from someone who grew up in France… lots of long term unemployed. Cross the channel to much less taxed and regulated UK and get a job in 2 weeks….
    Socialism screws the poor. Many jobs are going offshore because of taxes and regulations in the Usa. Forget robots… they have been around since the 70s and have made cars etc a lot cheaper for the poor.

    I talked to a guy in Nepal who worked as a waiter in Hawaii for 6 months, and saved up enough to travel the world for 5 months. (Tips)

    And waiters/waitresses and the like will never be replaced by robots.

  • anon

    Isn’t there something in the bible, like in genesis, that speaks on this? I believe it was included as one of.the curses assigned to women. It was something like, ….”and her desire shall be to her husband…”

  • anon

    Actually there’s more truth to your statement said then you realize. Not the part about sucking Matt, but about treating women as equals. So, on a date, you DON’T open her door, pay for dinner, take her protectively by the arm, defer to her, and walk her to her door? No wonder if you can’t get a date.
    Being treated equal to a man is demeaning and disrespectful. It’s like taking a pay cut at your job. I don’t want any part of it, which is why I never have supported the feminist movement.

  • anon

    Also, the KIND of husband a woman chooses to marry defines her. The main female actress in the movie Hondo said it best when she told the Duke that who a woman marries becomes her truth.

  • anon

    Oh yeah, in the bedrooms a real turn on for sure.

  • anon

    The only beef I have with men are that they are overwhelmingly responsible for rape and war. If they could just get those two flaws straightened out, they’d be perfect.

  • anon

    They aren’t wholeheartedly pushy in relationships. I’d say it’s full blown pushy.

  • anon

    Your the mere “male” HE was talking about when he said patriarchy was for men and not males. As long as you have that attitude, you’ll stay a boy.

  • anon

    So your basically saying is that everyone eventually submits to someone else?

  • John Dunkerley

    Male dominated? I don’t think we live in a vacuum. It’s not that cut and dried. Women choose not to be in government, as there has been full integration in government for a century. It is interesting how 60% of voters in most westernized countries are women, yet men keep getting elected. I could just as easily say there should be more male teachers (where women dominate in Western cultures), yet men choose to go into other fields. There should be more women coal miners too, right? Thing is, women choose to do less dangerous work. Men by and large make up most of the workplace fatalities, let’s get to work changing that, right? Women are given far more lenient sentences in criminal cases, let’s work on making them equal! Not to mention, false rapes aren’t even brought to trial half the time, when they are it’s a slap on the wrist. I mean it’s about equality, after all, right? Feminists confuse Patriarchy with Gynocentrism, which is what we really have, look no further than America.

  • fmf

    Hi, I’m 100% for gender neutrality in all jobs. Construction, mining, nursing, doctors, government, ceo’s, IT, lawyers, judges, police.. I’m 100% behind it.
    100% behind a better justice system, that doesn’t discriminate based on gender, and doesn’t attack any victims, and uses DNA evidence and discourages sensationalism in the media.

    But fyi, I’m not going acheive that by saying that women are harmless weaklings and men are tough and direct. We’ve got to end that sexist thinking, in everyone, if we want a fair system, don’t we?

    The other option is to ‘accept’ this idea, and continue along a path of women being precious objects and men being expendable agents.

  • John Dunkerley

    In America, fair employment among the genders was federally mandated in 1964. Women tend to pursue certain jobs (less physically labor intensive, ‘safer’ jobs). Not all, but a good majority. Which can be backed up by evolution and biology. Danica Patrick (NASCAR) is an anomaly. Sexual Dimorphism is evident among the human species. Forcing every field to be integrated brings incompetence. If I hire a woman just to hire someone based on whether they have a vagina and pair of tits, (or someone with a penis) that doesn’t guarantee a competent employee. Fair hiring practices have been an enforced law nationwide (and in the West on a larger scale), to where the best person for a given job has a chance to be the one getting a job, hypothetically of course.

  • John Dunkerley

    Does chivalry even matter? Not really. A woman knows this, even if not consciously aware of it. If the man is seen as an ‘alpha’ type, a female will put up with a lot more of his shit. A beta man can hold doors or not, it has no bearing on whether he ‘gets the girl’, so to speak. If he acts chivalrous, he might even be seen as weak or desperate. If he doesn’t, well, he’s unnecessarily selfish, another reason to reject the guy. A larger point is not to listen to what a woman says but what she DOES. This isn’t even getting into the whole modern day female entitlement issue, which is a whole other thing.

  • John Dunkerley

    Yes. Basic biology, evolution.

  • John Dunkerley

    Patriarchy = misplaced Gynocentrism

  • John Dunkerley

    This. MGTOW is the solution for the modern day entitled ankle. Seeking the approval of women is a lost cause. Spinning tires so to speak. The winning move is not to play.

  • John Dunkerley

    Soundgarden is Rusty Cage lol

  • John Dunkerley

    I agree. Think of a modern day setting, an office environment, for example. The designated ‘aplha(s)’ of the group will be the persons the females will gravitate to, whether that man (or men) have authority or not. The females will laugh at his jokes, listen or support his suggestions, twirl their hair around him, bend over or show cleavage, make inane conversation, vie for the attention of of those male types. Our goal as men is not only to spot the behaviour, but also not to give in to instincts. It’s on us not to play along with the silly games.

  • John Dunkerley

    It goes deeper than that to get to root causes. As toxic as capitalism is, socialism isn’t a solution either. Communism still has a money system, value in property, Support of war, redistribution of wealth (which capitalism has too, just a much smaller class gets the benefits), Social stratification, structural violence. Libertarianism is no solution either, as even more people would be left behind (as if people could be fair in a system based on property and acquisition of wealth), with it’s result being mafia, monopoly, and mob rule. We have evolved enough as a race to leave the isms schisms behind, with the technology we have right now on the planet. We’re facing societal problems and no short sighted fix centered on treating symptoms will fix them.

  • John Dunkerley

    Thank you feminism!! Yay! /sarcasm

  • John Dunkerley

    The female hive mind, the Borg consensus. It’s important to women how they look to all of their ankle friends, and society at large. Imagine back in cave man days, a guy goes out all day, hunting and brings back food, only to hear the missus say, well Suzie’s man got a bigger brontosaurus! It’s on us men to recognize this, as the stress literally kills us, jumping through hoops. Never seek a female’s approval. Even if you get it, it’s fleeting and temporary. When she says she loves you, or expresses feelings (on anything for that matter), in your mind think (Right Now) to the end of whatever she said. It’s conditional and can be revoked in the next minute. Dealing with the modern woman is exhausting! MGTOW. The only winning move is not to play.

  • John Dunkerley

    Men still need to think of themselves as a king of something. Female submission is attractive. OTOH, This strong ‘independent’ modern woman is not attractive (in reality just makes a woman look bitchy), as much as a submissive man(gina) is not attractive to a woman (he’ll be seen as ‘weak’). Feminists complain about traditional gender roles, but took things way too far (pretty much the M.O. of 3rd wave feminism). It’s backlash against it from men is Red Pill/ MGTOW.

  • fmf

    firstly, no one breaks the law ever. there’s no murder, assault, or anything, that’s illegal! all crimes are reported and instantly punished and there’s no grey areas!

    secondly, i literally do economics. i’ve literally studied this. you’re telling me NOTHING new.

    you cannot complain that there’s no women doing tough jobs and then say women aren’t capable of doing tough jobs. i think they are, and i think they should if that’s what suits them. i think all jobs and lifestyle choices should be accessible to all people given their ability.

  • fmf

    john, again, laws are incredibly powerful at changing social norms, if i made a law that pink was cool, you’d love pink, just like that! instantly!

    social change takes time. changing what people see as valid choices takes time. changing what people see as valid interests and abilities for various demographics takes time.

    if you’ve been bought up to be housewife, are you going to be able to bring up your daughter to be a politician? no, you’re going to stick to housewife, because that’s what you know, that’s what feels right. these attitudes hang around and you clearly have never read any of the academia surrounding these differences or else you would have a far more in depth understanding of these social phenomenoms.

  • John Dunkerley

    Capable? Case by case on that. There’s this thing, Sexual dimorphism, men are built for certain types of jobs/labor, just as women are, and add in biology and evolution, and we know why women generally don’t even choose some jobs. It can be explained scientifically through biology and evolutionary psychology. The exception proves the rule. There’s also the issue of doing versus capable. Coal miners tend to be male, for example. Are women capable? Sure, if they had to. it’s that women choose not to be coal miners, as women tend to take safer jobs. Biologically and evolutionarily speaking, this makes sense. Women are the protected class, as they bear children. It was not feasible historically to have women doing life threatening work. Men are far more ‘expendable’, even today, as we see a continuance of gynocentrism, even if it’s no longer necessary. I agree with feminists saying we should abandon traditional gender roles, as they’re no longer necessary, but they only mean for women. It’s still OK for men to be expendable, at the same time giving women more independence (going overboard with it thanks to modern day feminism who can’t stop asking for more and more, but that’s another discussion). I hope you can see the double standard there. Men still GENERALLY do the heavy labor, still GENERALLY pay the alimony and child support, GENERALLY lose at child custody, are far more likely to be homeless, GENRALLY receive harsher sentences for crimes, far more likely to commit suicide, especially post-divorce. Feminism wants it all for women, at the expense of men, again reinforcing the idea of a man’s disposability. Patriarchy? Hardly.

  • John Dunkerley

    No argument there. I hope you don’t consider yourself a Feminist, unless you are in with Camille Paglia, Susanna Hoffs Summers or something (which by that standard, if they were all like those two, hell, I’d be a feminist). You realize though that 100% OPPORTUNITY is already in force, since 1964? Women have been able to have the same opportunities as men since then in America, and roughly as long in most Western countries. It comes down to job choices. Women work generally less hours, at less risky jobs. No enforced law forcing to hire certain people based on quotas will change that. Feminists (not saying you are one) confuse equality of opportunity and equality of outcomes. You can’t work less hours or do less demanding work and feel like you should be paid the same, again raising as a point, as studying even basic economics, you realize that can’t be the way it works.

  • Savanna

    I (30plus and female) respectfully disagree. While growing up, I was in a constant power struggle with my dad. He desperatedly wanted me to submit to him, and sometimes we would be facing each other with clenched fists. When I was a teenager, I took martial arts lessons (and okay, okay, I did submit to my male teacher there, – the same that I would have done with a female teacher).
    At school I had lots of problems with my male teachers (and male classmates), and only insignificant probs with my female ones. Maybe this is no coincidence.
    I have never, ever had any desire to submit to anyone, although I was a loyal employee in my past, because I have morals and I didn’t want to cause trouble to any of my colleagues or to my boss (I never cared about their gender).
    I live in Germany, my home country, but moved to England to do my M.A.; and after graduating in the UK, I chose another country for my PhD. Lots of guys tried to hit on me, but they had no chance. I don’t look like the Hunchback of Notre Damme, actually the opposite is the case, if I look into the mirror from an objective point of view.
    My blood pressure rose through the roof and I felt so aggro when I imagined to take on the female role in a relationship, that I’ve never HAD a relationship, despite my “advanced” age. Seriously.
    In these days I work as a self-employed writer and love my life.
    Whenever I visit my widowed mother, I almost feel sorry for her live-in partner, whom she bosses around constantly. She makes the big decisions as well as the smalls ones (in my opinion she should give him more scope to have an opinion of his own). However, at the end, they both have the same boss: their female cat. :)
    Maybe my article sounds harsh and mean, which I’m definetly not. I’ve just decided for a life without relationships with men (and without sex), because this is what makes me happier than anything else.
    Neither do I want to become a lesbian, nor do I want to have a man who believes that women have an innate desire to be protected or patronized; and sadly, I think that still many men live in that assumption. And I’m way too busy to find the exceptions.
    As for platonic friendships with men, they didn’t last, because after a while it became obvious that the men wanted more. For this reason, all of my voluntary contacts are women, despite my mother’s submissive partner. I don’t dislike men, but I don’t need them, either.
    When I was a baby and a toddler, I used to hit doctors and nurses, when they wanted to examine me or do something I didn’t “approve of”; thus, I believe my feelings about being submissive are not the result of the teachings of so-called male dominated women like Gloria Steinem and alike. It’s just my inherent personality.
    I believe in God (most likely a gender neutral being), and my goal is to become more accepting and more loving (although in general, people say I’m patient and helpful). Jesus, admittedly a man (as a woman he wouldn’t have been able to preach and to survive for three years), offers great spiritual guidance to me, but it is not only Jesus Christ. All those wives and mothers, who love their kids or even care for a disabled child, although they know they will outlive their child or s/he will never be able to live independently have my deepest admiration. The same applies, of course, to male exceptions who take on such a extremely demanding task.
    If unconditional love for others is the guideline for your life, you don’t need any social movements to lean on. If there is a gender which has spread unconditional love and acceptance on this planet, it is the female gender. Women are the main caretakers, they take care of the old, disabled and sick ones (I’ve worked in a nursing home; therefore this role is not completely alien to me), they do things I would never be able to do for years or let alone decades, and yet they are my greatest inspiration.
    Thus, where is the man to whom I submit?
    I don’t see any.

  • Savanna

    I (30plus and female) respectfully disagree. While growing up, I was in a constant power struggle with my dad. He desperatedly wanted me to submit to him, and sometimes we would be facing each other with clenched fists. When I was a teenager, I took martial arts lessons (and okay, okay, I did submit to my male teacher there, – the same that I would have done with a female teacher).
    I have never, ever had any desire to submit to anyone, although I was a loyal employee in my past, because I have morals and didn’t want to cause trouble to any of my colleagues or to my boss
    (I never cared about their gender)
    .
    I live in Germany, my home country, but moved to England to do my M.A.; and after graduating in the UK, I chose another country for my PhD. Lots of guys in those countries (and Germany) tried to hit on me, but they had no chance. I don’t look like the Hunchback of Notre Damme, actually the opposite is the case, if I look into the mirror from an objective point of view.
    My blood pressure rose through the roof, and I felt so aggro when I imagined to take on the female role in a relationship, that I’ve never HAD a relationship, despite my “advanced” age.
    Seriously.
    In these days I work as a self-employed writer and love my life. Whenever I visit my widowed mother, I
    almost feel sorry for her live-in partner, whom she bosses around constantly. She makes the big decisions as well as the smalls ones (in my opinion she should give him more scope to have an opinion of his own). However, at the end, they both have the same boss: their female cat. :)
    Maybe my article sounds harsh and mean, which I’m definetly not. I’ve just decided for a life without
    relationships with men (and without sex), because this is what makes me happier than anything else.

    Neither do I want to become a lesbian, nor do I want to have a man who believes that women have an innate desire to be protected or patronized; and sadly, I think that still many men live in that assumption. And I’m way too busy to find the exceptions. As for platonic friendships with men, they didn’t last, because after a while it became obvious that the men wanted more.
    For this reason, all of my voluntary contacts are women, apart from my mother’s submissive partner. I don’t dislike men, but I don’t need them, either.
    When I was a baby and a toddler, I used to hit doctors and nurses, when they wanted to examine me or do something I didn’t “approve of”; thus, I believe my feelings about being submissive are not the result of the teachings of so-called male dominated women like Gloria Steinem and alike. It’s just my inherent personality.

    I believe in God (most likely a gender neutral being), and my goal is to become more accepting and more loving (although in general, people say I’m patient and helpful). Jesus, admittedly a man (as a woman he wouldn’t have been able to preach and to survive for three years), offers great spiritual guidance to me, but it is not only he. All those wives and mothers, who love their kids or even care for a disabled child, although they know they will outlive their child or s/he will never be able to live independently have my deepest admiration. The same applies, of course, to male exceptions who take on such an extremely challenging task.
    If unconditional love for others is the guideline for your life, you don’t need any social movements to lean on. If there is a gender which has spread unconditional love and acceptance on this planet, it is the female gender. Women are the main caretakers, they take care of the old, disabled and sick ones (I’ve worked in a nursing home; therefore, this role is not completely alien to me), they do things I would never be able to do for years or let alone decades, and yet they are my greatest inspiration.

    Thus, where is the man to whom I submit? Or want to submit to?
    I don’t see any.

  • fmf

    I agree with you but.
    Something being illegal doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. Statistical discrimination still persists, and ideas about what is normal perpetuate inequality of choices.

    I’m not for quotas, but I do wish more people would understand that subconscious bias can have very real effects.

    I’m not for everyone being paid the exact same, but I believe that as equal beings, statistically, the average income of sexes should be the same. If it’s not, there’s a factor that is driving this inequality, and we need to counter this.

    A few years ago, I wanted to be: a journalist, a florist, a fashion designer, a doctor. I didn’t come out the womb like that. Those ideas came from external influences. They don’t reflect necessarily my best talents (I’m far beyond average at maths, and other jobs pay more whilst still being comfortable. The question is, what caused me to view my potential career like that, as opposed to how you viewed your career, aged 17.

  • fmf

    Singling out men as different from women is ludicrously backwards.

    It’s about moving forward from this biological ruling. We have the technology and the civilisation that we don’t need to make only men work (this started because they were better on average at plow based farming.) And we don’t need to control the population by controlling women.

    I think we’re at a point where we are equally capable, as long as we treat the next generation with equal expectation.

  • fmf

    I fail to see how that’s relevant to what I suggested in my comment. It’s about whether we accept the “different” idea or not. If we accept it, we’ll obviously never reach equality of pay or lifestyle, because individuals won’t be expecting or aiming for that. If we don’t accept it, we might be able to get even better.

  • John Dunkerley

    I’m tired. I think I need a nap.

  • Sheri Sherman

    Yes, this is true. And I also hate to admit it. I need a man who is strong and wise to follow. I need a man to make sensible rules and I will strive to honor because it would be someone I would be so grateful to have found. It will be a difficult search to find him. When I do I will strive to please him. I will fail and it would be my place to accept whatever he thought best I should do to make up for the failure or take from him make up for the failing as it is my place. It is every woman’s place. We are the one’s here to serve the men. It is what we are born for. As ridiculous as it makes in 2015 why fight the truth no matter what others think. And it is my job to look the way my man wants me to look so he is proud to be with me. That is my job. If he wants me to lose weight or diet or even gain weight, exercise. Get plastic surgery. There is nothing that is wrong with that. It is biological imperative to demand these things because he must desire me to give me children. So I oblige. My job is to serve, cook, do what he wants in bed so he is satisfied, make my body what he wants so he desires me and is proud to be seen with me, stop over thinking everything and follow his will. Because I want to be happy. This creates a stable relationship and life. As the balance should be. A balanced life is happiness. I never realized being paddled or spanked would give emotional release. But it makes since. My man should break me down regularly for my own good too. And also for punishment when I fail him. But just for my own sake. This helps know what to look for even more clearly. Thank you for your blog.

  • Julie

    Yes ma’am this^^~~~.
    I am one who simply never had a problem with any of the above. I consider myself blessed, and one of a dying breed. I’m glad I’ll be around for the next 20 years to watch the crash and burn .

    Matt, I just want you to know that I did find this article humorous & forthright. I saw & appreciate your sensitivity as well. Shared.

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  • Sterling Archer

    What qualities do you look for in a Mate? You can’t be happy with someone you think you are better than. And the opposite is true for men. So you are right you sound pretty independent.. and you sound very happy about it too.

  • Sterling Archer

    Shit by what standard? There wouldn’t be an idea to rule the world without Men. So the fact that the alternative is the Grass huts a matriarchy would have us in we are in a good place.

  • Sterling Archer

    I am sure the woman who owns the business is very happy.. happy she will never be able to marry someone she thinks is better than her which is literal hell for women. (which is why Female Lawyers are statistically less happy than the impoverished.) The point of this article shouldn’t have strayed to far past the bedroom (i.e relationship) Mating preferences prove every-day that of Course Femininity is submissive to masculinity. It is why most of the females in a position of Power in the Feminist movement are lesbians. (women who inherently can’t relate to the desire for masculinity.)

  • Sterling Archer

    Are you happy? It doesn’t sound like a happy life. Sounds like something happened in Childhood that made you Hate the idea of submission. I find that most independent women (truly independent short of living alone in the woods) Wish they were men.. Not actually but the idea of it. Because Men were built to be more independent naturally. Skin is thicker.. easier to build muscle mass.. thicker bones taller ect. As well as the MAJOR biological aspect of independence which is not having uderious. Not being tied to any offspring (also not feeling the desire for offspring) which most if not all women feel when they get in their 30s.

  • Sterling Archer

    The last thing you are For would take geneticists to change. Women will always be more submissive than men as a sex because they evolved to be. No “social change” will change that. Unless of course you are a lesbian (or in this case a dyke)

  • Sterling Archer

    I agree technically we are all self-aware beings that can say FUCK YOU BIOLOGY and do something unintended. We are seeing that slowly and do you know what?? Women have steadily been getting unhappier the more they do it. Which was a point made in this article. I am fine with women being miserable pricks but please don’t take it out on Men when it isn’t our fault anymore. its biologies fault.

  • fmf

    And what makes you so confident that you know what “biology” intended? Who told you what biology intended?

  • fmf

    So basically you’re saying you don’t want equality? Because you think it makes people sad.

    I argue that what makes people sad is the disagreeing. Some people want equality, some people want sexism, and both think only their option will bring happiness. If only some people follow biology, and some follow equality, no one is happy. The biological differences people feel threatened and insecure because of the equality people (feeling forced into wrong-gendered jobs to meet quotas), and the equality people feel threatened and insecure because of the biology people (feeling forced into right-gendered lifestyles to meet expectations).

    I think it goes both ways. The only way to work is to be neutral and co-exist. So don’t force people into jobs, don’t judge people’s lifestyles. Some want equality, some want biology, that’s all okay, just don’t restrict other people in what they want, because that really, is what *everyone* wants.

    What makes people unhappy is thinking we all have to agree on this.

  • Sterling Archer

    Nope.. never said that. = Opportunities for each sex to do whatever they want (and be judged by merit) is the Ideal situation. Emma Watson for example just yesterday said “I know sexism exists because 17 of my directors were male and 2 were female in Hollywood” To say this implies there isn’t = opportunity for females in Hollywood (which it is clearly the opposite out of white guilt) That is like me saying 95% of my teachers growing up were Female #sexism. The reality is EVEN WITH = OPPORTUNITIES our sexes make different life choices. When you have the UN voice of female equality spewing this as SEXISM it IS a problem.. I say prosecute sexism when there is EVIDENCE of sexism..

  • N53

    Sorry, but this article is ridiculous flawed. First off Your definition of Submission is not accurate. The actual definition of submission which can be found in any dictionary is the action or fact of accepting or yielding to a superior force or to the will or authority of another person. (It has nothing to do with putting someone else’s interest in front of your own.) Most of the example you give to try and prove your point can be said for both men and women. But yet you focus on only women. By your logic and definition of submission its safe to say that men must also submit just as much as women. Do men not have jobs? Do men not rely on the government for there wages? Everyone is governed by the same laws and regulations, (this can not be avoided.) But as far as submission goes. There is a big difference between what submission actually means and the crap your article tries to tell women that it means.

  • Ait Convarion

    You can’t ignore biology. Do check this article about the US Army and their gender-integrated squads against all-male squads: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/09/10/marine-study-finds-all-male-infantry-units-outperformed-teams-women/71971416/

    “Summary of results released Thursday from the unprecedented study showed that all-male ground combat squads were faster, stronger and more lethal in most cases than units that included women.The women also suffered higher injury rates during physically demanding training.”

    Check the rate of injuries in that article: “The rate of injuries to muscles, tendons and ligaments was 40.5% for women, compared to 18.8% for men.” Wow. Why is it that 40.5% of women are receiving those injuries to muscles, tendons, and ligaments with only 18.8% of the men? Biologically, women are physically weaker, and are unable to perform or out-perform the males in the aspect of military training.

    My sister, who was retired USN and served six years, didn’t join the Navy to do physically demanding jobs at all. She was suggested by the Navy to take up the job of a linguistics technician, a field that requires tight lips, secrecy, and the know-how to speak/read/write a language. She passed boot camp pretty well. However, she did try Hell’s Week with the Navy SEALs. She tried to pass it as much as she could; she ultimately failed but came away with it with a lot of pride. All of the men in the SEALs hated her except one. One would talk to her briefly from time to time: to give advice, give her a lead on what’s next, etc. Now, she’s retired USN, who has tried Navy SEAL training, and is now studying a degree that isn’t soft science, like psychology.

    She’s admirable the way she’s done things in her life. She’s the exception. Not the norm. She didn’t need feminism to get to where she needed to. She believed in herself, did it, and lived life to the fullest. That’s what she did. Feminism never empowered her at all. She empowered herself.

    And that’s one tough sister I have. No one, not even a feminist female, could mess with her at all.

    “The Marine Corps opened its infantry officer course to women, but none of 29 female volunteers completed it, though women have completed the infantry course for enlisted personnel.”

    29 of the females never passed the officer course at all. Guarantee you that males have passed this and are able to climb the ladder. Why is it that females could not pass the infantry officer course? Because the US Marine does not lower their standards. Lowering their standards weakens the Army, their expectations, and level of professionalism on the field.

    Despite the fact all four armed branches have virtually removed the bar from women seeking active/reserve service, it still doesn’t detract from the fact that women are physically weaker in skeletal structure with the odds of an anomaly like John Dunkerley mentioned in Danica Patrick. My sister, while not an anomaly, has shown herself to be an exceptional individual who served the USN in a job that requires a lot of ear, and is already on her way to doing better things in her life.

    No feminist can compare herself to her because the real truth is: feminists need a social movement to get a leg up. My sister, who didn’t need feminism, gave a jump and went higher for it. Much higher than a feminist could and she did not need a Navy sergeant to tell her, “jump” in which she must reply, “How high?” But a feminist? They have to. “How high?” Feminist Academic: “None, sweetpea. I’ll help you. Come. There’s no jumping here. No feelings will be hurt here.”

    I have more respect for my sister than the modern day feminist.

  • Kris Nelson

    You’re pigeon-holed and mypoic in your view of reality:

    “Do you work for a living? Congratulations, honey: you’re submissive towards your boss.
    Even if the middle manager you directly report to is a woman, the
    company you work for is likely owned or managed by men, whether it’s the
    CEO or the shareholders, so the point still stands. You’re submissive
    to your boss because you do whatever’s necessary to please him without
    even thinking about it.”

    I can say the SAME thing for men. EVERYONE submits in a hierarchical structure, EVERYONE. Do you work for someone else? Then you a submitting, a feminine quality. Do you pay taxes? Then you submit. The fact that you don’t talk about reality, honestly, just shows how incorrectly you see reality.

    MGTOW are a bunch of irrational juvenile idiots, who have 95% truth (neo-feminism agenda), and 5% bullshit (man-hurt feelings turned into angry irrational projection) to keep them attached to an ideology that directs and channels their anger into ad hominem cry-baby outbursts towards counter-ideological reality. “You don’t agree?! You’re a mangina, pussy-whipped, *blah blah ad hominem juvenile bullshit*…”

    Grow up, let go of this stupid group-identity that replaced your sense of being lost in a world of falsity, that has you embody irrational conclusions as though they are valid tools for progressing to heal yourself and others in society, including women. This polarized garbage is not going to heal you or women, but bring more alienation in thend, since you don’t speak about reality honestly, always framing it in a one-sided woman only issue. Lots of truth, that hooks uncritical men and women into accepting the falsity, into accepted the conclusions a MGTOW ideology puts forth. YOU ARE A SUBMITTER! Better go all crazy, can’t have some aspect of “feminine” consciousness in yourself… what to do !!! OMG!!! It’s supposed to only be women who submit…. *brain explodes*…. Have fun with your irrational blind analysis of submissions in reality being only for women…LMAO

  • Kris Nelson

    Yeah.. god forbid I have actually opened doors for men too… OMG… you can’t be nice to anyone… or just only men? If you try to be nice to women, then these MGTOW juvenile consciousnesses declare it to be chivalry pussy-whipped mangina crap? These idiots are so tiring with their nonsense.

  • Ibexfather

    That bitch Becky must have really broke your heart in middle school. Shame you couldn’t get over it.

  • well there are some women… Amelia Earthhart said you can’t have it all – career and children, and
    decided not to have children. But as Camille Paglia says, 99% of women can’t just wish away their
    extremely strong biological drive to have children. Despite the BS being pushed by the Akademic Propagandists.

    In practice, the career only woman is a 90% of the time a miserable harpie… we can see this
    from observation, not from what she purports.

    As for “women are the main caretakers” ie women are superior to those adventurous men…
    what BS… all the healthcare, miracle drugs, machines to keep people alive, housing, cars, electricity are designed and maintained by men.

    Women take care… of what is, men go beyond and invent completly new things- they are capable of great leaps of imagination and focussed work against the grain of their epoch – which most women are incapable of, being natural consensus seekers, and as you say “care takers”.

    Try living on island , just with women… I think you’d be out of there pretty quick.

  • not possible…. though can be reduced via spirituality/religion.
    As Camille PAglia said: “There is no female Mozart because there is no female Jack the Ripper”

  • Savanna

    Hi AussieJ T, We shouldn’t think in terms of superiority. I was just referring to Matt Forney’s statement that it feels natural to women to submit to men and that basically every woman has that innate desire. While I was trying to find MY wish to submit, I found nothing. And in the process of searching for submissive tendencies in my brain and soul, I realized that the female gender offers more inspiration to me than the male one.
    Although I don’t deny that all those great inventions made by men are admirable, I still believe that the hardest thing to do is all that (in my opinion) stressful, boring, nerve wracking and routine work, such as household chores, changing a baby’s diapers, cleaning, tidying up, laundry (the list is endless), keeping babys and kids entertained and loved, day in, day out.
    I believe (just my personal opinion) that it is energetically and psychologically easier to work endless hours in a lab each day, to experiment, to fail and to finally succeed.
    Women who succeed in raising one or more kids are an inspiration to me, because I believe that their role requires a lot of humility, an aspect which unfortunately isn’t valued very highly among humans any more. And I lack humility.
    Contrary to most people, I consider a lack of humility in men and women as a severe character flaw. As a proud and egoistic person I should rather take a leaf lout of the book of the humble, kind and caring granny next door that that of Albert Einstein and alike.
    But I definitely don’t want to belittle the work and results of all those predominantly male researchers and inventors. People who lack humility should just be careful where to look for inspiration. And this applies both to me and to lots of men, especially Macho men.
    To come back to Matt Forney’s statement that women want to submit, I don’t think that humility necesarrily means submission. Some women have to take on a submissive caretaker role (eg many of the women in Saudi Arabia, for instance); and in my opinion they deserve the deepest admiration if all that humiliation they experience doesn’t destroy their love (for their family…) in them. Then there are those women who hold a caretaker role, which is anything but submissive (e.g. the archetype of the big Italian Mama).
    To make it short, most women want kids – Yes. But if they submit, they mostly do so due to cultural pressures and psychological chains. The nature of women encompasses women who are lamblike, women who are warriors and would love to rule and lots of individuals between these two extremes. With men it’s the same.
    Do 99 percent of women feel a biological urge to procreate? I don’t think so. The majority…yes. But 99 percent? I doubt that.
    My childfree friends are anything but unhappy with their lives, and motherhood doesn’t bring fulfillment to every women.
    Have you ever been on one of those “regretting motherhood” websites, which spread like mushrooms in these days? The sad truth is that having a womb doesn’t qualify a person for being a caretaker. Same as having the perfect feet for being a dancer won’t make you necessarily inclined to dance.
    If a person does become a dancer and realizes after his decision that it’s not as much fun as it was supposed to be, he can change his life and do something different.
    Motherhood, however, can’t be undone. If a woman realizes she is not meant to be a mother after the birth of her child, she is in an awful position. Despite their terrible position most of such mothers grit their teeth and learn to give as much love to their child as they can.
    I’m honest with myself and realize I could never be like that. I would a) never become a mother and if b) motherhood miraculously happened to me, I would give up my child for adoption. I’m proud, egoistic and freedom loving.
    And for this reason, caring figures are an inspiration to me, rather than of kings, presidents or inventors. If I turned my attention only to the latter, my ambition and pride would go through the roof. Those guys (and girls) are a great inspiration to some people, but not to someone like me. Some people should be fed with some pride and some ambition…but someone like me? No way. Paying too much attention to kings and inventors might be great for my ego, but toxic for my soul, because having too much pride kills love.

  • LVJ

    I relly like the argument of his logic applying to both men and women; though I know there is…somthing and that dominance as well as submission is an emotional thing as much as anything else…though that’s not to say that I have any idea as to what it actually is… Though I do believe that his politics are “getting in the way” “god fearing and GOP voting”… Common… ;) Those who do not have it have no idea what it is like to have somthing drilling into ones skull (the urge to “dominate”?) whilst simultaneously not seemingly being able to do anything with (meaning to work with understand placate or just resolving it) at least not without much pain and inconvenience: and without my patients discaplin self love and understanding…lets just say for this and other things I can comprehend why some men just sort of lose it somtimes, not even being mad at anyone/anything just sort of overwhelmed with no idea of what to do…no real drama either all I can really say is…Hang in there: it will be Okey…in regards to women to.

  • anon

    No female Jack the ripper, though I must say Jodi Arias comes pretty darn close!!

  • Masta Kush

    Omg. Can you please stop using so many commas? The run-on sentences are hurting my brain…

  • Masta Kush

    I find that, in reality, men and women aren’t two giant groups of identical brothers and sisters. I do think most women tend to enjoy the submissive role, but that doesn’t mean they all do! I think it’s great that you are doing what makes you happy. Don’t listen to sexist men OR WOMEN who tell you how you should think or feel. The ones who preach their views the loudest are normally the ones who are the most miserable as well! Just look at your average radical feminist or men’s rights activists… Those people are not worth imitating.

  • Masta Kush

    The governments create laws that are unpopular all the time. Prohibition was one of those laws… You can’t seriously think that people change their values simply because a new law is made. That’s complete and total BS, lol. Also, judging by your spelling and grammar, you don’t speak English as a first language, or you are very immature or uneducated. This is proven by the fact that you claim ‘academia’ supports your barely comprehensible conclusion, when it doesn’t. People do not automatically follow their parents’ job preferences. I don’t even need to look up a study to disprove this ‘fact’. Here is an anecdote, and I’m sure you and anyone else will have a similar experience if you’d just open your eyes. My niece grew up to be a lawyer. Her mother was a housewife. Her brother grew up to be a symphony musician, while his father was a carpet cleaner. It actually is more common for this to happen than it is for a child to have the same profession as their parent…

  • Masta Kush

    Lol. You’re officially the best troll on this comments section. ;p

  • somethings wrong

    There are an assload of female bosses. Our own god damn president is going to be a chick pretty soon- I hope you’re ready to submit.

  • Radharani Augustine

    I think you’re right author and personally I think its better to give in and be the slave who is happy being a needed slave instead of resisting and getting your teeth punched out to submit. I am trying to become a much much more submissive woman because I feel this is what God wants from me but still i have a few questions. How does a submissive woman ask for anything without him thinking she is out of her place for asking questions? And how can you do as a submissive person to not show sadness that which men hate because they think u are trying to make them feel bad or guilty? I just want to make him happy I know I’m to hard to please so I would rather do what God says and obey serve with my heart mind and soul 24/7

  • chloe durkin

    lol

  • Lau Crypto

    well i do believe a woman should be alwways in submission because she is lower than a man,most humans in society are pro equal and thats sad because we are not and nevver willl b e

  • Lau Crypto

    femisnm is stupid and wrong

  • Esha Srivastava

    Matt Forney You’re so full of shit , I can see this in your article .
    What else can you expect from shithead person who write articles like http://www.returnofkings.com/51395/5-reasons-why-you-should-not-date-indian-girls this ?
    You’re a desperate creep . I feel sorry for women in your life . Your mother must be sorry for raising a piece of shit like you .

  • Amita Basu

    It’s “evolution” that everything submits to something else? Go read evolutionary theory.

  • Amita Basu

    Women have been trained for millennia to believe that a virtuous woman is one who puts others’ needs first: her children, her natal family, her husband, and society. There is *nothing natural* about this. We are individuals responsible for our choices, but we also need to recognise the powerful forces of the always already telling us how the world looks and who we are.

  • Friedoreoz

    This actually made me laugh out loud on multiple occasions. And I mean a literal out loud laugh. I cackled. This is so idiotic and contradictory and I honestly can’t tell if he’s joking around or serious. Buddy, maybe you should look at your logic one more time and rename your paper “the inevitability of human submission”. We’re all a slave to the system, including you. Thanks for the laughs, submissive male blogger.

  • Jaydeep Deshpande

    Actually it is not quite like that. More like…it is related to conservative or liberal attitudes.

    If you believe God created human consciousness or soul or whatever .. And that men can create any material stuff but not breathe life into it…
    It means sometime during pregnancy god directly/indirectly touches a woman. A man is touched only when he is born…a woman multiple times.
    Anything that is touched by God needs to be kept safe and maintained with dignity.

    That is the main reason why women were told they were different and had a higher moral standing than men and they also tried to uphold and maintain it…
    Actually except this above thing…it is pretty clear to any fool that men and women are deserve equality