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How the Alternative Right Got Cucked

In this video, I discuss how the alternative right turned into a hive of bitchy gossip girls and how they can avoid the fate the manosphere suffered. This video was inspired by the alt-right going full SJW and claiming that Roosh is a “rapist”: given my own travails with false rape accusations in the past year, watching the alt-right adopt ally with feminists in their anger at Roosh is both disappointing and worrying.

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  • Cobbett

    One of the drawbacks of existing primarily online(at least in the Anglo-Sphere) Also Roosh is ‘getting it’ mostly due to his ethnic origins(Iranian)….a lot of ‘Alt-righters’ being racially obsessed.

  • Richard Spencer went out on a limb to defend your meal ticket, so don’t be so hasty with the generalizations.

    Also, that little sand nigger tweeted a diss directed at the alt right before any of this happened, which in colesence with being a Persian who schemes on white girls renders him persona non grata by any self respecting white nationalist.

  • I didn’t mind losing a stupid term like “manosphere”; but alt-right was such an effective word. What a bunch of queers.

  • Kudzu Bob

    Disagreements within the AltRight over matters such as this controversy or the question of Russia vs. Ukraine do not spell the end of the AltRight.

  • Anonymous account. Attention getting avatar. Employs gangsta symbolism on their page. Throws around racial slurs with all the class of a trailer park resident. Yup; pretty typical alt-right cuck.

  • It’s not the disagreement that’s the problem; it’s the behaviour. They’re behaving like treacherous cowards, and jealous cucks; they’re embracing narcissism, trying to feed their egos with online vanity, while abandoning principles. They are worse than enemies – they’re traitors. Subhuman un-men. Anybody with red blood flowing in their veins should distance themselves from these creatures.

  • Kudzu Bob

    You are blowing this out of proportion. In the final analysis, the current disagreement over Roosh simply is not that important.

  • Faggot wearing a cowboy hat pointing a gun in his avatar calls me trailer trash.

    Keep cucking for your Persian rapist boss, cuck. You faggots backed down to SJWs and feminsits, and you think you can fuck with us?

    Retreat of the Cucks. XD

  • It not only exposes foul character traits, it has demonstrated an incapacity for reason. I honestly can’t think of somebody I despise more than a pharisee with a bad character, who’s incapable of rational thought. After all, that’s precisely why I despise the left so much; it describes them to a T.

  • Crud Bonemeal

    I don’t even like Forney but this is 1000% correct.

    The problem is bigger than 1488 though, it goes all the way through the Alt-Right from the Paleocons on one and to Renegade tier freaks on the other end.

    I can’t even attribute it to a new influx of normies, because these attitudes have always been present among paleo-con types. See MPC

    If we don’t solve this we won’t have a future nor will we deserve one.

  • HGEMPEROR

    When did Aurini and Roosh back down to SJWs? Aren’t they fighting them?

  • Wise Old Drunk

    It’s not out of proportion. When you have Alt Right figures standing by watching a media orchestrated lynch mob, and saying “this isn’t my fight”, you have a systemic problem in your movement.

  • Wise Old Drunk

    Can we retire “cuck” now, it’s become the rightist version of “fascist?”

  • HGEMPEROR

    It practically is. It’s like when the SJWs see someone that contradicts them and they call them “racist/sexist/homophobic”. Now, when someone from the alt-right sees someone they disagree with, instead of discussing it logically, they just call them “cuck/cuckservative”. I originally joined the alt-right because I thought it was a platform for honest discourse and logic, but now you just have a bunch of hate-filled trolls who shout “cuck” every time someone disagrees with them.

    Take their attack on the new Star Wars film, for example. All the film did was have one female character be skilled at flying, fixing, and fighting, and the alt-right suddenly calls “cuck” all over despite the fact that said girl would still be a hobo picking trash up in the desert if it weren’t for men coming in and taking her away from that fate.

  • Hostem Populi

    Don’t answer a shit post with a factual question.

  • Sirius Jones

    Most of this shit came from Renegade Broadcasting people who don’t even consider themselves part of the alt-right.

  • Hostem Populi

    The more hysterical alt righters aren’t all that different from the SJWs. Pay attention to how they write and construct arguments. It’s like how if you substitute “Jews” for “Men” in a certain feminist’s writings, you figure out what she’s all about.

  • Hostem Populi

    I noted that Roosh as a topic of controversy was picking up steam on Twitter even before the media lynch mob. It makes sense that Renegade would be the one’s behind it.

  • HGEMPEROR

    And that’s the problem. The alt-right was meant to be a cure for all the SJW trolling and stupidity. Instead, it exacerbated the disease and created a right-wing version of the same leftist virus.

  • Hostem Populi

    Back to the kitchen, Wench!!!

    Roosh was right.

  • Hostem Populi

    Sadly, yes. unless you create some sort of barrier of entry to keep out the lumpen-proletariat, you’re always going to get something like what we’re seeing.

    Maybe we need to learn Latin.

  • HGEMPEROR

    That, or have an initiation rite where you have to show that you’re able to do an academic analysis of the topics you talk about. Or at least know how to write an essay or a thesis paper.

  • Hostem Populi

    There’s some converts syndrome going on. Some of the newer alt righters haven’t been racially aware for that long, so they tend to over do it. I’m from the South, I was “racist” all along, but I don’t have to engage in the same signaling hysterics over brown people that some of these kids insist upon.

  • Kudzu Bob

    Renegade Broadcasting is Patient Zero for much of what currently ails the AltRight.

  • Sirius Jones

    It picked up steam with Sinead McCarthy losing her shit and people from over going crazy. Most other people already knew that Roosh is a shit talker in general and didn’t care about his tweets.

  • Hostem Populi

    The problem in this case is that the damage has been done. There was a fault-line between ROK and TRS, for example, but they still agreed 90% of the time. But I don’t see anything but animosity from partisans of both camps now.

  • HGEMPEROR

    That is going to hurt our struggle against the SJWs.

    When I envisioned the alt-right taking on the SJWs, I thought we would have an army of scholars and philosophers taking apart SJW arguments one by one. But all we have is an army of trolls busy hating each other just as much as they hate the SJWs. This is what eventually disillusioned me about the alt-right. That, and their attitude of calling anything that disagreed with them as SJW bullshit. The alt-right went from a forum of logic and discourse to a hallway of echo-chambers who yelled the word “cuck” when they met someone with half a brain who disagreed with them.

    I tried to point out the lack of logic they had when they celebrated that they took away $4.2 million from “Force Awakens” due to their blogging. I pointed out to them that even if it was real, it was inconsequential, since Force Awakens shattered a whole metric ton of box-office records, and the merchandising alone can make tens of millions for Disney. They answered by calling me a SJW trying to belittle their little “achievement”. Yet the merchandise for the movie was flying off the shelves-I live next to a Mall with the Disney Store, I observed the phenomenon personally. And those pieces of merchandise were not $5 T-shirts, but $25-$30 toys like lightsabers and action figures. Just a million of those toys flying from the shelves would give Disney $25-$30 million, which practically makes the Manosphere’s little “achievement” completely pointless, if it happened at all.

  • Kudzu Bob

    Not that it matters at this point, but I think Richard Spencer is correct to support Roosh, just as I thought he made a good call by having Jack Donovan speak at NPI. I have spent spent a great deal of time defending him at The Right Stuff’s forum, at Radix, and elsewhere.

    Nonetheless, just because I don’t see eye-to-eye with Greg Johnson about Roosh, that does not invalidate the great work he has done on behalf of the AltRight.

  • Max Cady

    Hadn’t heard of it before, just looked it up…looks really fucking stupid.

    It doesn’t bear much similarity to any of the outlets with value on the alt right

  • Hostem Populi

    The problem is that there really aren’t leaders in the “movement” just a few entertainers. It reminds me a point that their hero Adolf made in his book they’ve never read, that the problem with trying to organize a military organization when you aren’t the sovereign, is that anyone can tell you go to go to hell when they feel like it. His solution was to just expect the storm troopers to engage in lowest common denominator activities, and not much else. (In his case, they could intimidate equally thuggish communists, but they’d be useless against German soldiers.) Same thing applies to our situation. The most you can expect of the shit tier alt right is trolling, but if you try to tell them something they don’t like, as Richard Spencer attempted, they’ll just ignore you or throw slogans back at you.

    There might be a use for the alt right trolls, but it’s not as a debating society…

  • Hostem Populi

    And though I might disagree with Greg Johnson’s stance, at least he articulated an argument.

  • Max Cady

    I have never really explored the manosphere that extensively, and I don’t really give a shit about Roosh, and while I disagree with certain aspects of Forney’s video, I can understand others. I see a lot of people in the comments talking about “initiation rights” and “screening” people to avoid SJW-tendencies.

    The fact is, the people who will have a voice will be the people creating content. Those with popular content, such as Matt and Roosh, will ultimately have a voice. TRS and Radix are in the same camp, and you don’t have to pay any attention to dimensions of the alt-right you don’t identify with. It’s ridiculous to even think that the public and media view the alt-right with enough clarity to understand the stupid infighting going on, or to draw any generalizations based on our network of associations. As a loose network, we’ve been very good at confusing the media because of the decentralized nature, and it ought to stay that way. We won’t be a mainstream political force for a while, it’s better right now to seed memes into the collective consciousness and shift the dialog from anonymous outposts.

  • Max Cady

    I plan to create a blog / website in the near future, and I am also working to increase my output of images, memes, etc. If you care about the movement, take half the time you spend on comment boards and devote it to content creation. The intelligence native to this large movement is impressive, and we can have much more influence if we are firing on all fronts, OUTWARD not INWARD. If your niche is anti-feminism, attack it in the broader culture. If it’s ethnic nationalism, do the same. Just fucking do something, and increase your value in this movement.

    Oh and here: http://thehuffingtonshitpost.t

    I started that yesterday, mostly as an exercise to start getting used to daily content creation. I just basically edit HuffPo headlines into shitlordy variations. Check it out if you wish.

  • Kudzu Bob

    Normally I go out of my way not to speak ill of others that could be construed as even vaguely allied with the AltRight, but Renegade Broadcasting’s bad behavior has brought me to the breaking point.

  • HGEMPEROR

    I don’t see a use for alt-right trolls at all. I suppose one can say they’re useful for dicking around with the SJWs, but all they’ll do is embarrass us. And the fact that our side is led by entertainers is another problem: these guys are gonna be less interested at leading a real movement than they are at looking good at the virtual mirror and getting views. Sometimes they might pierce the veil and get into something resembling actual, intellectual discourse, but for the most part, they just echo what they said two to three years ago and call anyone that disagrees with them a cuck/SJW.

    Funny how many of these fools who glorify Adolf know next to nothing about the man’s tactics or style of ruling, let alone his writings. They just hear some Neo-Nazi rhetoric and they grab onto that kind of hero-worship and call anyone who questions them as cucks. And the funny thing? A lot of these guys want small government. Hitler was all about big government solving the problems of the state-he accumulated a lot of power as Chancellor. If he actually ruled here in the US, he would not have much tolerance for libertarians who want to limit the power of the government. One could say that they would be the first targets of the SS once the leftists are gone.

  • Hostem Populi

    Hitler is nothing but a Schelling point for anyone, left or right.

  • FlorianUlrich

    Great idea – could you correct the link? It does not show up complete or clickable on your comment.

  • HGEMPEROR

    But to most of these alt-righters, Hitler is either a misunderstood man or a hero. Which absolutely sickens me. The guy practically doomed his own country by his own wartime decisions, and his ruling style was quite similar to the big-government left. He just added some nationalist and militaristic right-wing rhetoric to it for ease of digestion. To see alt-right people worship the guy whose actions got his own country torn in half at the end makes me wonder if the cure of the alt-right is becoming worse than the disease it sought to eliminate. The SJWs are idiots, sure, but they’re the kind of idiots who can be mocked by the inane nature of their own logic. Show to them that their tactics would actually hurt women/minorities more than help them, and they get embarrassed and run away. The alt-right trolls, on the other hand, trumpet the kind of rhetoric one would expect from a SJW caricature of the right, with the kind of blind idiocy that turns away from rational discourse, shutting down all rational discourse, just like the SJWs before them.

  • Max Cady

    thehuffingtonshitpost dot tumblr dot com

    I guess Matt doesn’t want hyperlinks in the comments

  • Don’t know what’s happening there: I keep approving your comments and Disqus keeps flagging them. I don’t have control over the hyperlink issue either.

  • Max Cady

    Ah, thanks man, sorry I repeated the comment, I thought it was length constraints.

  • Kudzu Bob

    Maybe my mental processes are just slower than other people’s, but I’m not the sort of person who wakes up one day possessing a radically different ideology from the one I had when my head hit the pillow the night before. My journey from basic-bitch conservative to paleoconservative to race realist to White Nationalist (not the genocidal sort, simply somebody who’s more 14 than 88) took years and years to complete. Last week I listened to few minutes of some AltRight podcast, one of the more obscure ones, and heard the host say that as recently as nine months ago he considered himself a Republican. The movement is experiencing severe growing pains.

  • Kudzu Bob

    I suspect that an unstated purpose of the NPI conferences is for Richard Spencer and others to see who among the attendees might have leadership potential

  • HGEMPEROR

    Saying that a lot of alt-righters are racially obsessed is like saying the sky is blue. I can understand a little race realism, after all, I came from Asia. We’re racial realists for most of the time. But way too much I’ve seen the kind of racialism in the alt-right that would make Al Sharpton look like MLK Jr. At the very least he only wants something for his own race, he doesn’t go around calling all non-blacks scum.

  • Hostem Populi

    I stopped being a Republican after the Snowden thing hit and the cognitive dissonance of Conservative Inc. was too much. Honestly, I should have been with Ron Paul years ago, but inertia.

  • Hostem Populi

    If you really want to hear them scream, try suggesting to them the issue with the migrant crisis in Europe is 90% Islam and only 10% race.

  • Kudzu Bob

    I stopped being a Republican when I saw how they supported Clinton’s criminal attack on Serbia and only pretended to oppose Open Borders. I was already a Buchanan-style paleocon by the time 9-11 happened, and have only become more radical since then.

  • HGEMPEROR

    Say what you will about the left, but their leaders are actually trained provocateurs who can bury the hatchet to take on a common foe. People like Saul Alinsky and Anita Sarkeesian know how to manipulate the media and the public to their own use. They train themselves to lead movements, to sabotage and undermine. Their ideologies range from idiotic to evil, but at least they know what they’re doing. Our “leaders” are a bunch of entertainers and personalities that can easily turn on each other as they can fight the left. It’s this lack of unity that’s led to the slow, but certain disintegration of groups like the Manosphere.

    This really reminds me of when I studied the Russian Revolution. The White Russian factions had numerical superiority, most of the Russian armed forces on their side, and even foreign troops and money pouring in from the West. The Bolsheviks had a smaller core of soldiers and armed workers along with some sympathetic (or shady) Wall Street bankers, and they still won. Why? Because the White Russians competed with each other as much as they fought the Bolsheviks and the Germans. You had traditional monarchists, you had capitalist Republicans, you had people wanting something in between. Whereareas the Reds only had one vision for Russia, and they were determined and united as hell to make sure that vision came true. THAT’S why the Reds won. In every other tactical category, the Whites had the upper hand. The only thing they did not have was unity, and lacking that one element is what sealed their fate and caused their doom.

  • Kudzu Bob

    It doesn’t take a fanatic to oppose mass immigration into Europe solely on racial grounds, given the Competitive Exclusion Principle.

  • HGEMPEROR

    Oh, boy, will they scream hard about that. If all those immigrants were Christian, they’d actually help save Europe’s dying population. And yet I debated with alt-righters who think all immigration by non-whites is evil.

  • Hostem Populi

    I’ve simply noticed that whenever you hear complaints about immigration in the UK, Hindus and Sikhs are suspiciously absent. Muzzies and Dindus on the other hand….

  • Kudzu Bob

    Some poisons taste better than others.

  • Crud Bonemeal

    The Hitler stuff is a matter of interpretation and not really worth arguing over, because there will never be a resolution.

    The recent history of our failing civilization doesn’t provide us with heroes who were successful.

    It should be apparent that the (((seeds))) of our current destruction were already in place in allied countries by the 1940s. So you have two options; conclude that history is nothing but cucks and failures and that we’re on our own, or latch onto regimes that tried to oppose the current state of affairs but were defeated militarily.

    Or split the difference. Doesn’t seem worth fighting about, really, it’s more a matter of which interpretation works for you.

  • Hostem Populi

    Put another way, Mexicans moving into my state haven’t been nearly as awful as the lily white Yankees.

  • Kudzu Bob

    If my family is dying out, adopting a bunch of strangers does nothing to change that and in fact will even make the problem worse. Whites have no moral obligation to let in Asians, but they do have a moral obligation to their own posterity.

  • Hostem Populi

    The legal definition of rape is a semantic tar baby that was intentionally muddied by (((lawyers))) to get any result they want.

  • HGEMPEROR

    What, they couldn’t breed with the Asians and continue to keep alive their blood? Whites have a lower population because younger whites don’t breed as much. The problem with white breeding isn’t the fault of any other race. Whites just did not want to breed as much as they used to. But they certainly have no problems breeding with foreigners. White girls in Italy breed with Africans. What’s wrong with them breeding with Christian Africans? I know one of my Filipina relatives married an Italian guy and they have a beautiful baby together. And since they’re both devout Catholics, they still remained culturally similar.

  • Crud Bonemeal

    Recent tweet re: TRS is wrong however. They may not like you but they’ve been making continual good faith efforts to minimize alt-right drama, can’t hold them accountable for the actions of the amorphous NEETswarm which inhabits their forums, /pol, twitter and other venues.

    Also overlooks the fact that the Renegade 1488 feminists really hate TRS for some reason, so TRS is most definitely not responsible for them.

  • Kudzu Bob

    I’m a Southerner too, and I disagree with your statement completely. Over generations Northerners can become culturally Southern (both groups are already genetically more or less the same), but Mexicans will never amount to anything but a somewhat smarter, somewhat less violent version of Blacks.

    I grew up in a small town (Pop. 600) that derived most of its income from tobacco farming. When I was a child, it was common to see Black men waiting on the corner in the morning for some farmer to pick them up to help with chopping tobacco (one of the godawfullest jobs in the worlds, as I can attest), but now all those Black workers have simply been replaced by squat, docile Mexicans. The Blacks simply collect welfare, and the Whites are on the way to becoming a minority in their own land.

  • HGEMPEROR

    Hitler was a moron who waged war against TWO of the largest and strongest countries in the world. Love him or hate him, he should not have waged a two-front war against America and Russia. All it did was screw up his own empire. And his big-government regime stomped all over everything that the actual conservatives fought for. That’s why real conservatives like Francisco Franco and Antonio Salazar did not go along with Hitler’s agenda, and why conservative leaders like Pope Pius XII and Kaiser Wilhelm didn’t like the guy. Kaiser Bill saw Hitler as a shame to the German race, and the Pope even tried to have Hitler killed. The Prussian noble elite also hated Hitler’s guts and saw him as a degenerate.

    And no, the Allies back in the 40’s and 50’s were stalwartly conservative. Even most of the people in the 60’s were conservative. The slide towards leftism occurred because people on the right got soft. Also, all Hitler did was talk a good game about protecting conservative values, but his reign was as leftist as any other. How does Nazi groups like the SS match up with conservative values? People like Snowden would get assassinated under the rule of someone like Hitler. Himmler’s goons would murder the shit out of libertarians.

  • Hostem Populi

    Core TRS should have just abstained from commenting on the issue entirely.

    It was a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation for them, as taking the side of the media against Roosh was a no go, but defending Roosh was just going to irritate their pet NEETswarm, as was the experience of Ramzpaul and Spencer. Trying to triangulate the difference made no one happy.

    There is a reason that there is such a thing as coachspeak.

  • Kudzu Bob

    What, they couldn’t breed with the Asians and continue to keep alive their blood?

    No. The half-Asian offspring of a White is genetically more distant from that White parent than is a random White stranger

    And if you’re one of those people who thinks that culture is prior to biology, then save your arguments for somebody else.

    Bringing in millions of culturally and genetically incompatible non-Whites, even smart ones from North Asia, will only depress White fertility further. Read up on the Competitive Exclusion Principle.

    Raising White fertility is feasible, and the solution has nothing to do with increasing immigration, and everything to do with slowly and humanely–but firmly, over a period of fifty or so years–expelling non-Whites from White countries. Anyhow, Asia is doing great these days. You’ll like it there, and I hear their fertility rate is low enough that they can use the warm bodies.

  • The women that Roosh purportedly raped continued seeing him and sleeping with him after his supposed assaults. So yes, you are using a feminist definition of rape: the idea that a woman can claim to be raped even when she continues to sleep with her “rapist” afterwards. http://www.rooshv.com/the-accusation-that-im-a-rapist-is-a-malicious-lie

  • Ghetto Tarzan

    Sinead and Renegade Broadcasting are not alt-right and despise the alt-right. Do not connect anything that loony bird says to the alt-right. On a personal level I think Roosh is slimy but we can use his present situation to shed light on feminist cowardice and hypocrisy. Roosh is a easy target and symptomatic of the lazy left’s brand of meaningless feminism. Feminists are more interested in getting lucrative jobs monitoring corporation than protecting women from actual harm.

    I do agree with Matt on the issue of crypto-feminists like Sinead McCarthy being kept out of the alt-right movement. Not only is she outright hostile to the alt-right, who she refers to as the alt-kike, she is a raving kook. That’s probably is already solved because she isn’t a part of the alt-right.

  • Hostem Populi

    I hope Roosh let’s us know about the exact sales spike “Bang Iceland” winds up getting out of this.

  • Ghetto Tarzan

    Renegade is like a cancer. Most of the recent conflicts in the alt-right can be traced back to them. They are either starting conflicts or perpetuating them. They pick fights with anyone with a higher profile than themselves.

  • Kudzu Bob

    They pick fights with anyone with a higher profile than themselves.

    Whic his pretty much everybody, from Return of Kings to The Daily Shoah to
    Counter-Currents to Radix.

  • Hostem Populi

    The last time I checked they were ones who started the “flat earth” nonsense.

    Why are they still relevant again? Is the fact that they’re still around proof that the alt right is populated by fools?

  • Ghetto Tarzan

    Roosh’s insults toward the alt-right were what informed me of his existence. Again, the people who were attacking him directly were not alt-right but the Renetards from Renegade Broadcasting. He alienated a lot of people by using the term alt-right. I would have been happy to continue being unaware of his existence if he had directed his attack toward the proper parties attacking.

    What seems to be happening is that the Renetards are attacking the alt-right because they believe the alt-right unanimously support the manosphere and Roosh. Roosh and the mansophere attacks the alt-right because of things the Renetards at Renegade are saying. Both are associating the alt-right with each other. Both parties are lobbing arrows over the heads of the alt-right when they should be fighting each other directly.

  • Crud Bonemeal

    They’re not relevant. They just get talked about when they pick fights with other websites.

    The alt-right isn’t listening to them. But that doesn’t make their dumb little website disappear.

  • Ghetto Tarzan

    They were never relevant. The reason they have any attention at all is because of their incessant needs to start drama. Roosh NPI controversy was them. Theyattacked RamseyPaul. They recently called Richard Spencer and the NPI controlled opposition and a jewish shill group. They accused Nathan Damigo of ripping off donators. Are you starting to get the picture?

  • HGEMPEROR

    There is no humane way to expel them from the West. Many of them have made this place their home. The only way you can expel them is with assault rifles. And not much whites will agree with you on that. They WANT a diverse society. They want non-whites to come in, do cheap labor, and add to the cultural and genetic diversity of the gene pool. They want to breed with non-whites. Shit, one of the ways Italian men were able to breed is via non-white girls, because many white Italian girls want to breed with non-Italians. You and a small cadre of racists won’t be able to muster enough force to expel people. The average white will call you a barbarian. All you’ll do is unite the country behind the left to fight your kind.

    You’re practically acting just like the Nazis the SJWs accuse all conservatives of being. We’re trying to stop that, to get them to see that the Right is rational and non-discriminatory. That we hate those among the minorities who abuse their privileges, but we accept those among the nonwhites who act rationally. You’re going to convince the left and the middle that us right-wingers are all racists. And once that happens, then the whole country, including most white people, will call us right-wingers Nazis and disassociate with the Right. The most you racist alt-righters can do is accelerate the rise of the Left from a cultural superpower to the kind of superpower that can use accusations of racism to finally segregate the Right from the rest of society and deal with them permanently……in the same manner Hitler dealt with the Jews.

  • Kudzu Bob

    Ghetto Tarzan is absolutely right. Judging the AltRight by them is akin to judging Christianity by backwoods snake-handlers, that is, an act of calculated obtuseness.

  • Hostem Populi

    It isn’t so much that alt righters are like them, but that their bullshit can get any sort of traction among the alt right in the first place.

  • HGEMPEROR

    Wait, if the Mexicans are docile, then what’s wrong? Whites were a minority in the Spanish Empire, most of the people were half-breeds or coloreds, and the whites still dominated society. Nothing was wrong with them being a minority. They still held a lot of power and a lot of influence.

  • Ghetto Tarzan

    They’ve been pushing the Roosh narrative since at least the NPI conference that I’m aware of.

  • Crud Bonemeal

    Society sucks when there are a lot of dysfunctional low IQ people around. Visit Mexico some time and leave the tourist areas.

    Why turn our country into that?

  • HGEMPEROR

    So? That means the high-IQ people will have a lot more folks to boss around. That was the case with the Spanish Empire, after all…….

  • Kudzu Bob

    There is no humane way to expel them from the West.

    Sure there is. It’s called Economy Class.

    You’re practically acting just like the Nazis

    Calm down, Pedro. I’m not a Nazi, I’m just a guy who wants to give you plenty of time to make arrangements to go home where you belong, with a few bucks stuffed in your shirt pocket for when you arrive at the airport in Manila. The Nazis are what you’ll end up with if moderate guys like me don’t get our way. Good luck trying to reason with them.

  • Hostem Populi

    Go look at the history of late Republican Rome going into the Imperial Period. You have a similar population drop. Why? Prosperity has a fragilizing effect on society, as it allows a number of pathologies to continue that would be dealt with under harsher times.

    Bringing in outsiders will just exacerbate the problem.

  • Ghetto Tarzan

    It hasn’t. The main brunt of their attacks for six months or so has been the alt-right. There is some carry over between renetards and the alt-right like there is between the alt-right and the mansophere but renegade are not alt-righters. Name an individual associated with the alt-right that isn’t apart of their circle and I guarantee that person has been attacked by renegade.

  • Kudzu Bob

    Wait, if the Mexicans are docile, then what’s wrong?

    Well, if you get a bunch of them in one place, then you end up with Mexico, which is sufficiently unpleasant that at least half of all Mexicans don’t want to live there.

  • Hostem Populi

    Agreed. If this situation is not reversed quickly, we’ll get an ending that NO ONE will like.

  • Hostem Populi

    As someone else commented, the energy in this fight has never been from the leaders of the alt right, though some have indulged it, it was always the amorphous NEETswarm, which is made up of people that can change their allegiance and position on a dime.

  • Kudzu Bob

    What a silly comment. You simply want to replicate South America, with its dictatorships, favelas, and coups, and label any Whites who don’t agree with your vision for their country as Nazis.

  • John H. Eden

    Hitler is irrelevant and people who want to argue about him and the Holocaust are wasting their time because we can’t magically change what happened. He ain’t coming back, these ain’t the 1930s, etc. etc.

    I wish the alt-right and manosphere would simply separate and keep moving in parallel directions. The only thing the two movements have in common is that we have some of the same basic bitch enemies. Other than that, the focuses are completely different. The Alt-Right is largely about white European identity whereas the manosphere is racially inclusive and has a significant contingent of sometimes hostile anti-white leftist minorities. Don’t believe me? Visit RVF. Talking about these issues will put you on thin ice and maybe get you banned. There are a core group of crypto-WNs there that are good guys (I won’t name names but you know you are) but can’t speak their minds about it on that forum. And that’s fine, given that it isn’t their platform and they can go elsewhere to discuss this stuff. But to me, it further highlights the fact that the differences between the two camps are too vast to be effectively bridged.

    When there’s been attempted crossovers it hasn’t worked out. The views on the world and the priorities are way too different.

    I will always have a soft spot for the manosphere’s masterful trolling of SJWs and their attempts to unfuck modern “men”, even if I disagree with some of the tactics regarding the latter. I learned a lot about women and how they operate from reading insightful commentaries in the manosphere but I eventually realized that feminism is basically just one problem of many that white people face in the West.

    Matt, your article on women with tattoos is legendary and the stuff CH puts out is gold. Roosh has put out a lot of good stuff too, even though I’ve always sort of thought his early stuff was far too hedonistic and the behavior indicative of someone who was essentially lost (like many of us at one point) in large part because of our fucked up multicultural atomized society. We were all born into a seriously dysfunctional shitshow. But I think he’s realized this as well as he’s gotten older. It shows in a lot of his newer content.

    Anyway, in conclusion, I basically think we shouldn’t be throwing bombs at each other. We don’t have to work together but we definitely shouldn’t be trying to shoot each other in the back, either. Ignoring one another seems to be the best way to minimize conflicts and keep both sides on track. Squabbling with one another accomplishes nothing but distracts us from our different goals.

    P.S. As far as Renegade’s concerned: they are complete degenerates, plants, and crazies who hate everyone and constantly try to stir shit. They are the flat earth conspiratard faggots. It’s best to just ignore them entirely because it’s nearly impossible to effectively troll retards.

  • Kudzu Bob

    the energy in this fight has never been from the leaders of the alt right

    I’ve been follwing the AltRight since its inception, back when you were still politically mainstream, and I can tell you that its energy has come from men like Richard Spencer and Greg Johnson, not the NEETs. The latter are hardly a blip on the radar screen.

  • Hostem Populi

    Well, accusing Richard of being a Jew shill is old hat, to be honest.

    Or maybe they’re just stealing trolls from Aristoi.

  • HGEMPEROR

    Yeah, and who ends up being the dictators? The whites! Isn’t that what you people would want? Also, countries in Latin America who do subscribe to capitalism get high standards of living. Look at Chile. Or Argentina before the Communists came in.

  • Hostem Populi

    NEETs are like Dindus, they can’t build a CVS, but they can burn one down.

  • Kudzu Bob

    Exactly. They are merely along for the ride, like our little brown friend HGEMPEROR.

  • HGEMPEROR

    It depends. The US had an industrial boom after bringing in immigrants from Europe who did not mesh with Anglo culture anyways. And the arrival of Asian Americans helped develop Western US’ economic power. The problem isn’t immigration, it’s socialism. And socialism, as Bernie Sanders shows us, is pushed by white people native to the US. Many of whom are Northeastern Anglo-Saxons.

  • Crud Bonemeal

    “Yeah, and who ends up being the dictators? The whites! Isn’t that what you people would want?”

    No, no, 1000x no

  • Kudzu Bob

    Richard’s been accused of everything under the sun, from being queer to being married to a Russian spy, sometimes by the same people.

  • HGEMPEROR

    No, there isn’t. Many nonwhites have made the US their home. They ain’t going nowhere, and most whites are on their side.

    No, the Nazis we will end up with will be the leftist ones who will kill all right-wingers like you. The SJWs will turn militant and the government will use them and your xenophobia as an excuse to wipe you all out. Even Trump wants more nonwhites to come in. Especially considering how close he is to Jews, who also favor nonwhite immigration. The same nonwhite immigration that let Roosh into the country in the first place.

  • HGEMPEROR

    Why not?

  • Kudzu Bob

    Please don’t try to lecture the people here on American history. It is painfully obvious that your knowledge of it is on a high school level–at not one of the good ones–at best.

  • Ghetto Tarzan

    I haven’t heard the Russian spy accusation. That might be my favorite. He does love James Bond. From Russia with Love starring Richard Spencer. Now that’s some serious larping.

  • HGEMPEROR

    So what happens when people like those in the alt-right hate Roosh for being a Persian who hawks on white girls?

  • HGEMPEROR

    I at least know more than you do. All you would draw upon is probably one that looks through history from a one-sided story.

  • Crud Bonemeal

    We don’t want to rule over non whites. We want to live separately from them.

  • HGEMPEROR

    Not according to most whites, who don’t have a problem living with nonwhites.

  • HGEMPEROR

    If so, then the people shitting on Roosh for being a Persian hawking over white girls would be correct, now wouldn’t they?

  • Kudzu Bob

    If I were the Nazi you accuse me of being, I might go along with your suggestion, but I just want a nice, clean White country, not a land teeming with megaslums inhabited by low-IQ brown people scavenging in garbage dumps, like in your country.

    Incidentally, Chile and Argentina are the Whitest countries in South America, which is precisely why they are decent, livable places compared to the rest of South America. Please learn some history.

  • Kudzu Bob

    You don’t belong here. You are owed nothing, not even an explanation.

  • HGEMPEROR

    I was born here. And I have as much rights as any other American. I probably contributed more to society than you do.

  • Kudzu Bob

    As I said elsewhere, I’m actually a very nice guy, and if White Nationalists like me don’t get our way, the people you’ll have to deal with will be far worse. If you were as smart as you think you are, you’d know that.

  • Kudzu Bob

    You’re not an American except in a legal sense. And laws were made to be changed.

  • HGEMPEROR

    Except for the fact that even whites have that kind of country when they breed. Britain had a population boom after the Napoleonic Wars. Guess what happened? Most of them lived in slums that scavenged garbage dumps and worked minimum-wage jobs in factories. That’s what happens when people breed, white, black, or otherwise.

    Actually, MOST of Latin America prospered before the Communists. Learn some history? How’s about the fact that most of Latin America prior to Socialism had rich trading deals with Western Empires and even supported the rich and the business owners? They were very capitalistic places for their time.

  • John H. Eden

    There’s always going to be a few shit-stirrers on either side trying to cause problems. Whether they’re legit and just obsessives who can’t let things go or plants, it’s probably best to just ignore them. In the end is it worth the time when it’s really not going to change anyone’s minds?

  • HGEMPEROR

    So Roosh doesn’t belong here either? He’s Persian, after all, isn’t he? He’s one of those Middle-Easterners you hate so much? What, does he get special treatment because he’s a Manosphere figure?

  • HGEMPEROR

    Neither are you. The first Americans were Indians.

  • Kudzu Bob

    Trying to browbeat Whites into creating the same kind of dysfunctional society that your parents fled from isn’t a sign of high intelligence on your part, but it is predictable.

  • HGEMPEROR

    White nationalists disgust most whites. If you people take over the Right, that would galvanize all the other races here to join the white liberals, who outnumber you ten to one. Then they genocide all of you and call it a day.

  • Kudzu Bob

    Who said I thought Roosh belonged here?

  • Kudzu Bob

    Now you’re threatening to exterminate Whites and you wonder why I want you gone?

  • Kudzu Bob

    That’s like saying the first Europeans were Neanderthals.

  • HGEMPEROR

    Well, they embarrass the alt-right and give the liberals more ammo. As I said to some neo-Nazi down in the comments section here, white liberals and white conservatives who work with non-whites outnumber white nationalists almost ten-to-one, and if the alt-right becomes a white nationalist daycare, then that will lead to all the other races joining the white liberals and wiping out the alt-right. You do know the NSA is probably reading our responses here, right? They hold back when dealing with Muslim terrorists, but white alt-right racists? They’ll show no mercy.

  • HGEMPEROR

    Exactly. Hell, the Germanic tribes were outsiders. Considering that I’m half-Roman, that makes me more a part of classical civilization than you probably are.

  • HGEMPEROR

    No, we won’t exterminate whites. After all, liberal whites and conservative whites will exterminate white nationalists for us. Just like the Union Army chased off the KKK more than 150 years ago.

  • Crud Bonemeal

    This is why we can’t ever be on the same team. You want to force us to support a bunch of dysfunctional non-white people, whether as tax slaves or as enlightened rulers, while our fondest ambition is to escape from people like you and do our own thing.

  • HGEMPEROR

    Actually, whites could learn a thing or two from us. We don’t tolerate communists as much as whites do, and we actually solved the problems feminists and gays try to solve without dissolving the patriarchy. We also value family more than the West does. All the values YOU people try to preach, we already succeeded in following.

  • Kudzu Bob

    Whoosh! Europe didn’t exist before Charlemagne, genius.

  • HGEMPEROR

    No, it did. Charlemagne only held Gaul, some parts of Italy, and Western Germany. Roman Emperors before him held more of Europe.

  • Kudzu Bob

    Since you’ve done so well solving all those problems then you won’t mind getting sent back home. It sounds really nice there.

  • HGEMPEROR

    Except those “dysfunctional non-whites” actually solved a lot of the problems the West has. Like how family seems to be a less important value here compared to the East. Or how we back home don’t take kindly to Communists when compared to the West. The West’s downfall was thanks to its tolerance for communism and anti-Christian rhetoric. Both of which are facilitated by and tolerated by whites.

  • HGEMPEROR

    No, because we bought legal land here. And by the law of the land, we’re here to stay.

  • Kudzu Bob

    Actually, you’ve got a point. If White Nationalists are exterminated, it will be by other Whites, since brown people lack the ability to do so. But since you’ve solved all your problems back home, you really don’t want to stick around for Civil War II. Trust me on that.

  • Kudzu Bob

    You own nothing except your own foolishness.

  • Kudzu Bob

    The concept of Europe didn’t even exist before Charlemagne.

    You understand nothing of the West, or of the history of Whites.

    Now lecture me again on how I’m a Nazi who deserves to be exterminated. I enjoyed that.

  • HGEMPEROR

    Civil War 2? More like a small skirmish that will end as soon as it began. After all, we wouldn’t want to miss the fireworks. The brown people can kill you white nationalists, but it’s just more satisfying to see other whites do it. Goes to show that they aren’t as dumb as you. After all, if we had a racial shame, it’d be best if we ourselves took care of it. So we will allow the reasonable whites to deal with you. You, after all, disgrace them by your very existence. You are their shame, you are theirs to destroy.

  • Crud Bonemeal

    I think there are plenty of positive aspects to non-white cultures. But diversity + proximity brings conflict. And mashing all those culture together just destroys them both, produces atomization and eliminates social cohesion, making it even easier for (((globalists))) to manipulate everyone.

    Read Robert Putnam on the downside of diversity.

    Which is we should go do our thing over here, while you go do your thing over there, and actually preserve the positive aspects of your culture, instead of merging into a dysfunctional, nihilistic global monoculture.

  • John H. Eden

    They do and the left already has plenty of ammo as is. I’m not too concerned about them beyond making us look stupid or deranged to the average person.

    Personally, I don’t care what the left thinks since we’ll always be Nazis to them and you’ll always be a misogynist to them. You just have to plough right through that bullshit. Maintain frame, agree and amplify, etc.

    As far as the NSA is concerned? You give the government too much credit. They’re incompetent.

    Right now, with Trump, we’re seeing the emergence and success of a true white alpha male who does care about his people and his nation. So while open WNs are not making political headway, there are a lot of cryptos and people who share our sentiments involved in the whole process.

  • Kudzu Bob

    See how quickly you’ve gone from talking about how great it is having brown people here to making threats? Hard to believe anybody wants you sent back to your natural habitat, isn’t it?

  • HGEMPEROR

    Not really. Many great Empires united many cultures and prospered. From the Romans, to the Greek Diadochi, to the Russians, Sicilians, Spanish, Ottomans, and British. In fact, there are cases where such Empires start decaying the more they become nativist. The Romans lynched the families of the German Federati fighting for them, that led to the sack of Rome. Byzantium started attacking Italians and Western Crusaders, that led to the Fourth Crusade. The Greek Diadochi tried to impose Greek culture over the Jews and the Persians, it caused them to revolt. And you lot don’t speak for all whites. In fact, you people make them more than a tad bit embarrassed.

  • HGEMPEROR

    The concept of Europe existed before Charlemagne. All he was doing was trying to salvage what the Romans called the Western Roman Empire.

    YOU understand nothing about the history of Europe’s people. If you did, you’d know that they are not a united race, looks aside. In fact, some of the greatest wars in history were waged between whites. Western Europe versus Germany in World Wars 1 and 2. The Cold War between Russia and America. You really don’t even know shit about them.

    OK then-you people make whites feel embarrassed, so one day, they’ll stop tolerating your bullshit and take action to nip you fools in the bud.

  • HGEMPEROR

    If you got sent to the nation of your race’s origin, you wouldn’t even end up in Europe. Even there, the native Romans saw you as aliens. And since I’m half-Roman, guess that makes me more a part of classic civilization than you are, eh?

  • Crud Bonemeal

    I think we’re pretty much done with this conversation. There is a fundamental conflict of interest. You want to keep me in your empire and make me work for you, I want to break away.

    We’ll see what happens.

  • HGEMPEROR

    Even Trump supports immigration from non-whites, so long as it’s legal. Especially with those Jewish friends of his. So I suppose I can support the man if he wins.

    The Left gets more ammo, and they might use that as an excuse to gag us all. And the Feds seem ore than happy to oblige.

    The NSA is incompetent in dealing with threats that do not originate from Americans. Against Americans, however? They’re probably more than ready.

  • HGEMPEROR

    The South tried that 150 years ago. Look what happened. Whites and nonwhites versus a strictly white army. Guess who won that round? And even then, the Confederacy was forced to hire nonwhites like Indians to shore up their Western flank.

  • Kudzu Bob

    Google “father of Europe,” and quit pestering me, Pedro.

  • HGEMPEROR

    Google the name of Charlemagne’s Empire, you idiot. I doubt he called his Empire the “European Empire”.

    He was called the father of Europe by people who walked around after he died. In life, he was trying to salvage not the European culture, but the ROMAN culture.

  • Kudzu Bob

    cool story bro

  • Swedish Herring

    Really all of this schoolgirl drama traces back to Renegade Broadcasting and the crazy, ugly hag named Sinead McCarthy. She attacked Lana/Red Ice for asking why the media focus on Roosh? They posted the Roosh press conference. Sinead is not alt-right but spends all her time speaking ill of the alt-right just because it’s getting popular and she’s not the center of attention so point the finger at Renegade and Kyle’s trashy gf Sinead and their wanna be 1488 crowd. Hitler would be disgusted by their behavior.

  • tiberium072

    You are not helping in any way. You speak like a non-European so stop LARPing as Roman.

  • HGEMPEROR

    And you know this how? I have Roman blood, and I know more about the history of Rome and Europe more than you people do. And yes, most whites have no problem living with nonwhites. Romans trusted black people over blonde people. They never lynched blacks, but they lynched blonde Germans living amongst them during the waning years of the Roman Empire. Back then, having blonde hair is like having black skin in Dixie South.

  • irv winkel

    ROOSH IS NOT WHITE, WHY DEFEND HIM? are you trying to divide and conquer white females and males???? would seem very old school and sycophantic This is classic Jewish/arab divide and conquer and you cucks are sucking right into it. Roosh is not white mother fuckers

  • tiberium072

    I have a house in Rome and your rubbish about Romans not having a problem with a million African christians potentially moving there is trash… as is your notion about trusting blacks over blondes.1. Sub-saharans Africans were insignificant at the time. 2. The empires’ armies were built on Germans, Celts and Sarmations. 3. Italy’s always had blondes on the peninsula… my family included.

    You also illustrate the potential dangers of mixed-race people. i.e. emotional, disturbed, talking about lynching blonde Germans…what is wrong with you.

    We have no problem with a few mixed-couples, foreigners here and there but people like you are better off staying in America.

  • HGEMPEROR

    A house on Rome? That’s cute. I have Italian and Roman friends who keep me updated. 1) The Romans did trade with Ethiopians and even had a black legion, 2) the Romans hated the German mercs who fought for them, and 3) blondes were not generally accepted until AFTER the fall of the Empire.

    According to Romans, nothing. Romans lynched blonde Germans all the time. It’s what turned their mercs against them. I have nothing against blondes at all. I hope to have a blonde girl one day. But Romans would not have tolerated them.

    According to my contacts in Italy, that is not the case. My Asian relative married an Italian man and explained to me how Italian girls are breeding with dark-skinned folks, and foreign women coming in are one of the few ways Italian men can actually breed and find love in their home land.

  • LyovMyshkin

    I’m pretty indifferent to this whole thing – that scene in Terminator 2 while John Connor is flailing around and Arnie holds him saying ‘This does not help our mission’ comes to mind – so I don’t really understand why anyone would come down on either side of it.

    One thing though: I think there’s a lot we can learn from the left. Don’t really buy the whole ‘You’re acting like a SJW now’ argument. If Roosh is the Tucker Max of the Dissident Right then whatever. If he’s what Johnston says then I see no problem in avoiding him.

    No dog in the fight.

  • Johann S. Birch

    30 seconds in. Can’t watch anymore. Forney is apparently a committed Concern Troll. Forney, I an embarrassed to be associated with you. It is shocking that somebody so fat would have such thin skin. Your buddy is a degenerate. He is being called out for being a degenerate. Maybe you should hang around normal White people instead of a Persian pussyhound. Your imprimaturs mean nothing to this movement. You devote more time analyzing the “bitchiness” of others than you do producing your own content. It seems like every other week, you have a new video about how gossipy/catty/terrible the Alt Right is. Then you have the brass balls to complain about others. The Alt Righters who commented on Roosh’s situation have already moved on. They have returned to producing their own content. Roosh took up less than 1% of their time. YOU are the fixated one, YOU are the bitchy one. If this is what it takes to drive you out of the “movement”, then I thank God. Apparently your commitment wasn’t to anything other than Roosh: no political principles, no cultural principles, nothing but chasing pussy and your buddy Roosh.

  • Kudzu Bob

    Reasonable people can agree to disagree about Roosh. In the final analysis the matter is simply not that important to the AltRight.

  • Johann S. Birch

    Nothing.

  • Gregor Samsa

    I don’t know who “Roosh” is or what this supposed controversy is about, and I’m around Alt-righters pretty much everyday. (Maybe it’s a Twitter thing. I don’t do Twitter.)

    Anyway…

    I’m in serious doubt that the “Alt-right has been cucked,” as I believe there are posers who creep in unawares in an effort to discredit the alt-right.

  • Jonathan Friedman

    (((whites)))

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